Comments on: Being A Full-time Leader on Part Time Pay-Part 1 http://www.thewayweseeitblog.com/2008/04/02/being-a-full-time-leader-on-part-time-pay-part-1/ Straight Talk for Serious Children's Ministers Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:04:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Heather http://www.thewayweseeitblog.com/2008/04/02/being-a-full-time-leader-on-part-time-pay-part-1/#comment-4019 Heather Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:00:07 +0000 http://www.thewayweseeitblog.com/?p=364#comment-4019 Wow, you must of been reading my mind! Thanks for addressing this Jim, i am looking forward to the rest. My biggest struggle is to never let Children's become a part time ministry just because I am a part time employee. Thanks Wow, you must of been reading my mind! Thanks for addressing this Jim, i am looking forward to the rest. My biggest struggle is to never let Children’s become a part time ministry just because I am a part time employee. Thanks

]]> By: Jim Wideman http://www.thewayweseeitblog.com/2008/04/02/being-a-full-time-leader-on-part-time-pay-part-1/#comment-4018 Jim Wideman Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:19:56 +0000 http://www.thewayweseeitblog.com/?p=364#comment-4018 No worries, hang on you'll see a better picture of where I'm going in the days to come. No worries, hang on you’ll see a better picture of where I’m going in the days to come.

]]> By: DK http://www.thewayweseeitblog.com/2008/04/02/being-a-full-time-leader-on-part-time-pay-part-1/#comment-4014 DK Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:23:28 +0000 http://www.thewayweseeitblog.com/?p=364#comment-4014 I do hope you will address the practical aspects of this as well. One practical issue I think is important to address is this: for some, the challenge with being part time is not necessarily just linked to the things you've mentioned in this post and in other places. There are also challenges such as: 1. Fatigue and feelings of being overwhelmed because a part time worker is working mulitiple part time mini jobs or even a full time job in addition to the part time role at church in order to make ends meet; This person's heart is willing to go above and beyond part time hours at church, but also believes in the importance of balance and rest. If a part timer give FT office/etc work at church (say 40+ hours) and then pulls 40+ full time hours at a secular job, I think the outcome/results could be deadly at some point. 2. What about the PT CP serving in an urban or other type of church plant situation - totally different set of issues to deal with there - church plants are a horse of a very different color 3. Some churches hire part time and expect full time function/work after you sign on - either because they don't understand all that your job entails because they have never done CM or perhaps because they are willing to cross the line and silently demand, not just more than they are paying for, but more than you are able to give due to time restraints that the other job you hold places on you or family obligations. 4. Different categories of PT CPs - the single with a one income household, the married with children/home to tend to, etc. 5. I think we must consider, based on time constraints, need for balance, time for family, etc that they part time package has to differ in some ways from the full time package in a church - whether that means you commit to pursuing vision at a slower pace than you would as a full timeer or something else. OK, I don't mean to give you a sermon, but I do think this topic is a broad one and that it is not possible to apply the same prescription to each and every part time patient. I also don't anticipate you will address each of these head on, but I think it's important not to broad brush. I also hope that my comments have not been offensive, that is by no means my intent. I do hope you will address the practical aspects of this as well. One practical issue I think is important to address is this: for some, the challenge with being part time is not necessarily just linked to the things you’ve mentioned in this post and in other places. There are also challenges such as:

1. Fatigue and feelings of being overwhelmed because a part time worker is working mulitiple part time mini jobs or even a full time job in addition to the part time role at church in order to make ends meet; This person’s heart is willing to go above and beyond part time hours at church, but also believes in the importance of balance and rest. If a part timer give FT office/etc work at church (say 40+ hours) and then pulls 40+ full time hours at a secular job, I think the outcome/results could be deadly at some point.

2. What about the PT CP serving in an urban or other type of church plant situation - totally different set of issues to deal with there - church plants are a horse of a very different color

3. Some churches hire part time and expect full time function/work after you sign on - either because they don’t understand all that your job entails because they have never done CM or perhaps because they are willing to cross the line and silently demand, not just more than they are paying for, but more than you are able to give due to time restraints that the other job you hold places on you or family obligations.

4. Different categories of PT CPs - the single with a one income household, the married with children/home to tend to, etc.

5. I think we must consider, based on time constraints, need for balance, time for family, etc that they part time package has to differ in some ways from the full time package in a church - whether that means you commit to pursuing vision at a slower pace than you would as a full timeer or something else.

OK, I don’t mean to give you a sermon, but I do think this topic is a broad one and that it is not possible to apply the same prescription to each and every part time patient. I also don’t anticipate you will address each of these head on, but I think it’s important not to broad brush.

I also hope that my comments have not been offensive, that is by no means my intent.

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